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From: Fred J. McCall
Subject: Re: [NEWS]: Probe: U.S. Knew of Jet Terror Plots
Organization: is for people who don't have real work to do
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote:
:> :> The fact that he was not criminally charged and was instead given "other
:> :> choices" does not change the fact that he committed a crime.
:> So for Vince, a murder victim isn't dead until the killer is charged?
:> My, what a Schroedinger universe he lives in.
:Actually a schroedinger analogy is fair. an accused perosn is in an indeterminate
But only with regard to CONVICTION. There is no effect on the reality
of whether they actually committed the crime or not. It is this
latter claim of yours that I find simply astounding.
:> :No, actually the issue is whehter they can prove you did it. that is what makes
:> :a perosn gulty of a crime.
:> No, that is what makes them CONVICTED of a crime.
:Guilt either by plea or verdict precedes the judgement of conviction. When the judge
:accepts the guilty plea or verdict the person is convicted.
:a plea or a verdict can establish a juridical fact of guilt. a plea or conviciton
:is considered a "proof"
And neither alters what actually happened outside the courtroom, which
seems to be where we differ.
:> Did OJ do it?
:OJ is a good example. It is clearly unethical for a prosecutor to say that OJ was
:"guilty but got off" (the public can say what they want) I certainly believe that
:OJ was involved, but it is equally clear that hs is not a guilty person.
And we're back to words not meaning what they mean anymore. Did he do
it? If your answer is 'yes', then he is guilty. He just wasn't
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["It does not do to slit the throat of a sleeping man."]
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