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From: Vince Brannigan
Subject: Re: [NEWS]: Probe: U.S. Knew of Jet Terror Plots
> > no. certianly under the statute a fierman can tell me to stop i.e.
> > he can make what would other wise be lawful unlawful. what he cannot
> > do is make lawful what would otherwise be unlawful i.e. running a red
> > light withotu a direct order from a rolice officer.>
> > Vince
> Stopping in the street is illegal.
citation? since when is topping as such unlawful? If the road is blocked is it
unlawful to stop?
> So, now the fireman is making an illegal
> act legal. Of course according to most your thread since no judge or jury
> has convicted anyone yet its not an illegal act.No traffic you just want to
> drive home down your same street. But the
> fireman directs you to stop. Do you stop, or do you go. He is not an
> official traffic-control device nor his he a police officer.
if he directs you to stop it is a lawful order. stopping per se is not
or give acite?
> Based on your argument you could not even pull through a stop sign.
without stopping no, only a police officer can order you to ignore a stop sign
> there is traffic on the road you have yield to them. They don't have to
> yield to you( in fact it would be unlawful for them to stop) and since you
> have the road blocked the Fire Truck has to wait for you to go.
cite for the unlawful stop
> But the
> other traffic never has to stop to let you out so the Fire Truck is stuck
> because the other traffic cannot legally stop in the road since they don't
> have a stop sign and there is no police officer to stop them. It becomes a
> real catch 22. That is if you accept your logic. Which I have never seen
> accepted by the officers writing the tickets for disregarding the fireman
> who told you to illegally stop in the street, or because you would not pull
> out of the way of the Fire Truck at the stop sign, or the Judges as they
> fine you for doing so.
> (a) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic,
did you see this part? so it is not unlawful to stop if a fireman tells you.
since he constituttes other traffic
or else, you are correct and ait takes a police officer.
it is nto unusual to have a heierarcy of requrirements.
> or the
> directions of a police officer or official traffic-control device, no person
> (1) Stop, stand, or park a vehicle:
> (A) On the roadway side of any vehicle stopped or parked at the
> edge of a curb of a street;
> (B) On a sidewalk;
> (C) Within an intersection;
> (D) On a crosswalk;
> (E) Between a safety zone and the adjacent curb or within 30
> feet of points on the curb immediately opposite the ends of a
> safety zone, unless a different length is indicated by signs or
> (F) Alongside or opposite any street excavation or obstruction
> when stopping, standing, or parking would obstruct traffic;
> (G) Upon any bridge or other elevated structure upon a highway
> or within a highway tunnel;
> (H) On any railroad tracks;
> (I) On any controlled-access highway;
> (J) In the area between roadways of a divided highway, including
> crossovers; or
> (K) At any place where official signs prohibit stopping;
> (2) Stand or park a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except
> momentarily to pick up or discharge a passenger or passengers:
> (A) In front of a public or private driveway;
> (B) Within 15 feet of a fire hydrant;
> (C) Within 20 feet of a crosswalk at an intersection;
> (D) Within 30 feet upon the approach to any flashing signal,
> stop sign, yield sign, or traffic-control signal located at the
> side of a roadway;
> (E) Within 20 feet of the driveway entrance to any fire station
> or on the side of a street opposite the entrance to any fire
> station within 75 feet of such entrance (when properly posted);
> (F) At any place where official signs prohibit standing; or
> (3) Park a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except temporarily
> for the purpose of and while actually engaged in loading or
> unloading property or passengers:
> (A) Within 50 feet of the nearest rail of a railroad crossing;
> (B) At any place where official signs prohibit parking.
> (b) No person shall move a vehicle not lawfully under his control
> into any prohibited area or to such a distance away from the curb as
> is unlawful.
> (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any vehicle used
> solely for the purpose of collecting municipal solid waste or
> recovered materials as defined in Code Section 12-8-22 may stop or
> stand on the road, street, or highway for the sole purpose of
> collecting such waste or materials; provided, however, that such
> vehicle shall maintain flashing hazard lights at all times that it
> is engaged in stopping or standing for the purpose of waste or
> materials collection.
noone of thsi proves anthing.
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