From: Fred J. McCall
Subject: Re: [NEWS]: Probe: U.S. Knew of Jet Terror Plots
Organization: is for people who don't have real work to do
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Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:50:50 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:50:50 PDT
Vince Brannigan wrote:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote:
:> :> On a simpler level, running a red light is a strict liability offense.
:> :> is, No intent is required. So either you did or didn't. Which I think this
:> :> whole overly long threat is about.
:> :And the court is who decides whether you did it or not.
:> Under law. Their decision doesn't change whether you actually did it
:> or not.
:Whether you "did it" is a question of fact , whether what you "did" is a crime is
:a declaration by the court
No. Whether what the court THINKS you did is a crime is a declaration
by the court. The court often doesn't have perfect knowledge of all
the actual facts. Therefore, what you ACTUALLY did can have been a
crime, but what the court THINKS you did was determined not to be.
In other words, Vince, the difference between your position and mine
is this. By my lights, breaking the law constitutes a crime, whether
you get caught and convicted or not. By your lights, the only crime
is getting caught and convicted for something.
What you do
When it counts.