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From: Iain Rae
Subject: Re: [NEWS]: Probe: U.S. Knew of Jet Terror Plots
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:54:48 +0100
Organization: Edinburgh University
References: "Vince Brannigan" wrote in message
> big snip
>> I realize that Lawyers can disagree,
>>But when I am driving down the road and see a green light I do not
>>expect to encounter a unmarked civilian vehicle starting up through that
>>because a fire truck I cannot see is coming up behind them.
>>Prof. Vincent M. Brannigan
>>Department of Fire Protection Engineering
>>University of Maryland, College Park Md.
>>Fire Risk Engineering
>>Glasgow Caledonian University
> Vince, before you come a'visiting and driving to the
> Glasgow Caledonian University be aware, be VERY AWARE.
> that under UK's Highway Code a green light means
> 'Proceed; _if_ the way is CLEAR!'
> A green light does not mean 'GO'!
> I say again:
> a green light means;-
> 'Proceed; _if_ the way is CLEAR!'
> A green light does not mean 'GO'
> You won't find any warning labels neither within the car
> nor at intersections because it's something taught to all
> L-plated 'Learners'.
Well, arguably all L-plated Learners are expected to have read the
warning booklet beforehand and are given test(s) to show that they have
understood at least some of it, though I've thought it went downhill
when they removed the section beginning "Always give way to trains...."
> A good driver, not swigging coffee, must have enough situational
> awareness to anticipate anything occurring ... the unmarked
> civilian vehicle may have not seen the red light due to
> the driver being distracted by an incoming cell 'phone call.
In which case he's committing an offense under the RTA before he's gone
through the lights.
> A poor driver may anticipate his green and shout across your
> path ...
In which case he's committing an offense under the RTA (or possibly
breach of the peace :) ) as he's gone through the lights.
In both cases, provided the junction is clear the bloke going through
the green has met his obligations under the RTA.
> When in the UK treat a green light as if it's immediately
> going to turn towards Red (Amber). Be prepared to come to
> a stop before it reaches Red. We call idiots who don't
> 'Amber, gamblers', such folk often when appearing before
> the magistrate have been known to state
But surely such people are going through Amber (which might not be an
offense) or Red lights, not Green
"But when I am driving
> down the road and see a green light I do not expect to encounter
> a unmarked civilian vehicle starting up through that light ... ".
> The magistrates are never impressed by such statements ... :)
Really? in the court case I acted as a witness the Sheriff(1) seemed
more interested in sentencing the bloke who failed to stop at the red
light rather than castigating the guy who went through the green light,
got halfway across the junction and then got pranged by bloke #1.
The only questions I was asked were "what was the colour of the light
when the car in front of you went through it?" and "was the junction
clear before the accident occured."
(1)Local courts in Scotland are called sherrifs courts, this is done to
confuse American tourists.
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